Last night I was fortunate enough to be a participant in the first GeniAus Hangout on Air, it was a lot of fun and will be a great collaboration and learning resource. One of the questions I got to throw out into the ether was what do you do when you come across an absolute bog standard name, in my case John Green.
So what do I know about John Green.
John Green is the father of Louisa Green (b. 21 Jul 1821 – d. 27 Jun 1897)
Before he passed away, I was fortunate enough to be in contact with Ken Muffett who had devoted a lifetime to researching the descendants of Louisa and her husband Charles Robert Muffett in Australia. He had passed along some images of a Family Bible.
|Muffet Family Bible, from the collection of the late Ken Muffet|
Someone, and it appears to be a similar hand to that of the Family Register, has kindly written on the death information page.
Now Louisa’s husband was a convict. Being a convict there is Applications to marry for the couple, who were refused twice before obtaining permission.
|“Registers of Convicts’ Applications to Marry, 1826-1851” State Archives NSW; Series: 12212; Item: 4/4513; p. 88|
Looking now at the shipping record of the “Enchantress”
|Ancestry.com “New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922” [Database Online] http://interactive.ancestry.com.au/1210 /imaus1787_081196-0340 retrieved 31 Oct 2013|
Mary Green. Ann Green 15 years of age. Louisa Green 11. Thomas Green 8. There is no John Green. There appears to be no male adult travelling with them at all. So why am I at least sure that John Green is Louisa’s father?
Using the information from the Family Bible I ordered a transcription of John Green’s death certificate via NSW Family History Transcriptions Pty Ltd (excellent service by the way, would highly recommend.)
John Green died 26 Aug 1868 at Rose Vale, Yarralaw District of Goulburn. He is a Farmer aged 81, therefore born approx 1787. Hi place of birth and marriage are listed as England but his conjugal status, age at marriage, name of spouse and children were left blank as was his time in the colonies. Information about his parents is listed as Unknown. The informant for his death is Charles R Muffet, Grandson, Rosevale, the undertaker Robert Muffet and the witnesses Charles R Muffet and Thomas M. Middleton, the place of burial Yarralaw. That Charles R Muffet is listed as his grandson supports the idea that he is Louisa’s father as does the other witness who is one of Louisa’s son-in-laws. Robert Muffet is one of the names by which Louisa’s husband was known.
What we know is that John Green is the father of Louisa Green and he died in 1868.
This isn’t the first time I’m tried to trace the Greens. The first aborted attempts were as a 15 and an 18 year old. I didn’t get very far, but written on a scrap of notepaper in a big pile of group sheets I had at some stage jotted down the following information. Louisa Green had been in NSW 67 years at death. John Green was 43 years old on arrival. Green, John and wife Mary arrive 1/1/1835 from London listed as passengers Mary 21 years, John listed as soldier /50th Reg. Mary’s maiden name was Clifford or Clifton.
Yeah, first thing I’d like to do is go back and slap my 15 year old self for not keeping better notes. Or any source notes. Although this was long before my history degree and the compulsive citation habits it imposed. The second this is a vague memory of some of this information coming from a phone call with Ken but him not being very sure himself. Too late now I’m afraid to ask him again. The last comment about Clifford/Clifton is also referenced in Ken’s published family tree. I wish I knew where I got the 1/1/1835 from as a recent search identified this as the Henry Porcher and I could not find a John and Mary Green at all, although listed was stragglers and families of the 50th Regiment of Foot. Is this where that idea came from?
I have started the slow process of going through every Green in the colony starting with the Argyle district, and the names John, Mary, Thomas, Ann, William or Jane.
I have Trove’d and continue to Trove. The Muffet’s are constantly in the papers during this period. I might get lucky and find a Green reference.
I am considering the possibility of tracing the other immigrants from the “Enchantress” on the off chance they were travelling with another family.
Hope desperately that one of the other descendants has had better luck than me.
Find a Medium and ask.
Does anyone have any better suggestions?
1 “England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975,” index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMRS-FMQ : accessed 31 Oct 2013), Louisa Green, 04 Jun 1822↩
2 “England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975,” index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N5WL-QQS : accessed 31 Oct 2013), William Green, 17 Mar 1816, “England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975,” index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NB3J-BH3 : accessed 31 Oct 2013), Jane Green, 16 Jul 1818.↩